to be able to spend the money. not wait aaround for many, many years while they get their permits. $50 billion for rural infrastructure, including broad band, internet access. rural communities have not been treated fairly we will spend 50 billion on rural infrastructure and internet access, which is so important. a workforce initiative that invests in our most valuable resource, the american worker. and we're doing a lot of that. and we had a meeting. i had a phone call this morning with prime minister abe of japan and i suggested that he invest more and open up more plants. they announced, as you know, a number of plants are coming in to michigan and other states. but we want them to bring in more. and they will do that he said they will do that and we would expect to have some announcements pretty soon. we have a lot of companies are moving in. a lot of people are coming in to the united states. they were leaving and now they are coming. in all good for our workers and good for our country.

more power for state and local governments to choose projects. we want them to choose the projects they want the most important projects because they know best the needs of their people. so we want the states to be very much involved in the choice of where this money goes. after spending trillions of dollars overseas rebuilding other countries, it is time to rebuild our own country and to take care of our citizens. the money that we have spent overseas, not to mention in the middle east, whereas of two months ago we had spent $7 trillion. and, yet, if we have to fix a road, we can't fix it. if we have to fix a tunnel we don't do it because don't have the money. we spend $7 trillion in the middle east. it's ridiculous. the american people expect all of us to work together to serve their needs. this is an issue where i really believe we can find common ground between republicans and democrats.

it's the infrastructure issue. it's something great for our country. it's something that our country needs and, again, we have democrats here. we have republicans here. we have had other meetings. we have meetings in the future including new meetings with this group. it's a very capable group of people and i think we are going to come up ultimate whether i a solution to the infrastructure of our country, which is in very poor condition. we're extremely happy with the bill that was passed because we had to take care of our military. our military was in bad shape. now we have had the biggest spending ever and our military will be stronger than it's ever been before. we needed that i want to cut costs but we needed that i want to spend money on the military wisely. twice the planes for half the price essentially. we're going to make sure we buy maximum equipment and other things with the dollar. not that it's going to be wasted. so our military will be in better shape than ever

before. and now what we're going to do is have our discussion. so we appreciate it thank you all very much. >> thanks, everyone. >> thank you, all. >> eric: half the cost he said. the president promises to rebuild our bridges, highways and airports. >> julie: one the many promises he has made and following through on. that's our nation's infrastructure in need of it thank you so much for joining us. outnumbered starts right now. >> eric: take care. >> harris: fox news alert now. the house oversight committee is investigating the white house response to revelations of multiple allegations of domestic abuse against former top staff rob porter. the question who knew what about it and when? new testament from fbi director christopher wray appears to contradict the administration's version of events on that issue. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today co-host of after the bell on fox business melissa francis. anchor of the intelligence report also on fbn trish trish

regan is here. jessica tarlov and center seat outnumbered "fox & friends weekend" co-host pete hegseth. salute him. pete pete good morning. >> harris: sometimes we profess love on this valentine's day with candy and cards. some of us profess love through our dedication to the country. show them. pete pete a little love of country, everyone. do a little american flag. >> melissa: wow. >> trish: it's not even the fourth of july. pete pete in our hearts. happy valentine's day to you ladies as well. it's great to be here. >> harris: we'll move on. new testimony from the fbi director chris wray conflicts with the time line when they were informed of accusations against rob porter. the fbi says its review of porter was closed in january administratively. the white house said the process was still ongoing when porter resigned in february. yesterday, the white house press secretary addressed the discrepancy. >> the fbi portion was closed. the white house personnel

security office, who is the one that makes the recommendation for adjudication had not finished their process and, therefore, not made a recommendation to the white house. there is multiple groups here. the white house personal security office which is staffed by career officials would have -- may have received information, but they had not completed their process. >> harris: house speaker paul ryan weighed in on the situation earlier saying there was some sort of failure. >> clearly, we should all be condemning domestic violence. if a person who commits domestic violence in government there is a breakdown in the vetting system. that breakdown needs to be addressed. >> harris: meanwhile, sources tell fox news the white house is not currently working to replace chief of staff john kelly despite some reports. this as kelly tells the "wall street journal" he would not change his handling of the porter situation at all. chief white house correspondent john roberts is live at the white house. john? >> harris, good afternoon to you. the white house has had

trouble coming up with a consistent explanation for this, and we are now on day 8 of this scandal. when it first broke auto aweek ago today the white house did all it could, at least as much as it could to try to put out the initial fire. hold that fire line for a while, but then the white house quickly became overwhelmed again and yesterday it got taken up to another notch when fbi director christopher wray took the extraordinary step in a congressional hearing of throwing the white house under the bus laying out a time line that contradicted what the press secretary had been saying for the previous six days. so far the white house has been fortunate in that it has only had to explain what happened to the news media. but now it's going to have to explain it to a congressional committee headed by republican. south carolina congressman trey gowdy sending a letter to the chief of staff john kelly here at the white house asking for policies, practices, and procedures for interim security clearances. whether rob porter's clearances interim and final were consistent with those procedures. the date when the white house became aware of the

allegations against porter and the dates of porter's security clearance adjudication. trey gowdy saying that he has got a lot of questions that he wants answered. listen here. >> i would want to know from don mcgahn, general kelly and anne else what did you know, from whom did you hear it, to what extent did you hear and what actions, if any, did you take. the chronology is not favorable for the white house. when you have the head of the fbi saying we told you three times in 2017 and once more in 2018 for good measure then i think the really fair questions are what were you told by whom were you told. did you have some reason to question what the bureau told you and if none of that is true, why did you keep him on? >> now to what congressman gowdy was saying a lot of questions unanswered by the white house. what was contained in the information that the fbi sent to the white house personnel security office in march, july, november, and earlier this month. and because the fbi was informed about the worst of

the domestic abuse allegation. way back in january of 2017, did the fbi ever tell the president or senior staff about it? you were mentioning, harris, that there were some rumors flying around last night that john kelly may not be long for the white house. sources both inside and outside the white house say that's not true. he's not going anywhere. and, in fact, there were some discussions and suggestions last night that maybe at the daily briefing today the chief of staff, john kelly, and the white house council don mcgahn would come out to address the press on all of this. last time i checked, the decision on that had not been made, but the briefing is scheduled for about 56 minutes from now. we will find out -- actually, 53 minutes from now. terrible at math. we will find out soon. harris? >> harris: for the record i didn't say rumors, i said reporting. there is a big difference. i will say that on that. john roberts, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> harris: pete hegseth, it's been 8-plus days on this. , which regardless of what

the subject matter is, when a white house communications department is focused on an issue that is negative for the white house for eight days, what does that tell you? >> well, it means at some level it wasn't handled the way that it should have been. i will tell you this. i'm not here to defend rob porter. >> harris: you can't. because you don't know all the facts. we don't know all the facts. pete pete or anyone involved in domestic abuse at all. that's on the table completely. did rob porter not get fired and did the white house not take action? he doesn't work there anymore, does he? ultimately. consequences came down the pike. why are we still talking about this 8 days later? i just think it's -- it's a process story that washington is obsessed with. this guy got canned because he should have. rest of america wants to know what we're doing about china. they want to know what we're doing on infrastructure. if we are going to get daca fixed and wall built. that's what people care about. it's a story. my goodness. trish traditional i may surprise you on this, harris, i agree with you in that this is a giant

distraction right now that we do not need because there are many other things far more important. now, was it handled as well as it could have been, should have been? no. i think that the president probably should have gotten ahead of this, come out and said and, listen, i understand and jessica and i were talking about this. he is making the point that we don't know all the facts and so, you know. >> harris: we don't. >> can't ultimately believe any accusation that's out there. he says he is innocent. i want to make it very clear. to everyone listening right now. there is no room in our society for any kind of domestic abuse. any kind of march that would lay a hand on a woman is the worst kind of most vile person ever and leave it at that the guy is gone. let's move on to important stuff. >> harris: let's watch senator graham on the issue. >> in this case, you had a protective order that's given by a court and the person who hat seeks the order

have photo for it photo of a black eye it would serve the president well to stand up more aggressively against domestic violence. this is a moment today it's not going to be tolerated. there are consequences for domestic violence. even to somebody who went to harvard. >> harris: so, jessica, the question i have had how many long how many she's does it have to say for you to take a closer look. three she said versus one he said. i just point that out. go. >> i would love that if the president had said that about roy moore and talked about the accusations against him in that type of way. it's not they heard about it and fired him. christopher wray yesterday blew huge holes in the white house's story in the time line here. >> hard evidence. >> jesse: what more hard evidence do you need than a picture with a woman with black eye. you have three she saids here and one he said. the case was closed for the fbi last month. sarah huckabee sanders lied

raj shaw lied up on the podium saying it was ongoing. it wasn't. it was closed for the fbi. >> decided whether to give him clearance. process whether or not he got a clearance. you are saying lie, lie, lie, lie. there is a lot of processes here. >> harris: i do think and we know from reporting that when we speak word lie, we need to have every fact to back that up and i don't think we have all the facts. >> jesse: we do now. >> harris: aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. >> melissa: people have dissected the time line, you look at it makes you wonder what did john kelly know when? that's why we have trey gowdy saying i want to know how this happened. walk me through step-by-step who knew what when and at what point did someone drop the ball? because obviously someone did. it's a question of who and where it was in the food chain. i mean, if you really want to get to the bottom of it and really stop something like this from happening again, rather than jumping on the president, let's look through and figure out who

is for sure to blame? maybe it is him. who knows? we have to get through it step-by-step and see how it happened. >> harris: can i step in on a progressive why this is important. a. agree with pete to some degree. people look at this especially if they haven't paid attention until day 8 because now it's cooked. it's like out of the oven. it's a cake. it's got some ingredients in it people are paying more potentially. this has to do with a man who had an interim security clearance handling important information with our president in his presence every day. and if you will hearken back to the hillary clinton scandal with huma abedin, her aide walking into her home with her husband who was messing as a pedophile at the time and uploading classified documents on a laptop, it's that zone where people are able to be messed with and bribed. you don't want those people next to your presidential candidate and you don't want those people next to our president in the white house. and that is the core issue. there are a number of people on this staff who are still waiting for their security

clearances. the white house has said the list is waiting on the process. that's fine. but with this particular one, domestic violence, look at where we are with our discussion. pete pete fbi for not granting that clearance in the way that they did. i think it's plausible to think that throughout this process your president and your chief of staff aren't digging all the way down into investigation for the details. he probably told his side of the story, which was a spin for him, which it would be and they probably believed it that's how we got where we got. >> jesse: i would add to this and there is another element of it people close to the president and security clearance. i think there is fundamental issue here is that the president of the united states is uncomfortable condemning dufs when he asked explicitly. he is. >> reporters asked him yesterday. he had the chance he is very. [talking at the same time] >> melissa: sensitive to people being falsely accused: he wants due process.

what he is saying a lot of people in this country have gotten frightened by the idea there isn't due process every time. that has pushed him possibly, i'm inferring and i don't know this, to a place where he doesn't want to jump to conclusions. in this case, there was evidence, whether or not he saw it, i don't know. >> jessica: he watches tv all day. >> harris: this is a hot topic. you can bet when the white house daily press briefing starts with we think in about an hour, that this will be asked about. i do want to point out something else i heard you say on "fox & friends" a few weeks ago. the president has a lot of strong women around him. so, for this to cook for eight days is problematic on a whole host of different levels, too. i wonder what those conversations are like inside the white house with the strong women. let's move. house republicans are now hoping to seize on top house democrat nancy pelosi's remark discussing bonuses resulting from the g.o.p.'s tax reform as crumbs. will their strategy work? and make or break moment for daca as the senate finally opens debate on immigration.

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>> harris: fox news alert. senators beginning immigration debate after hours of partisan wrangling the terms of the debate yesterday. first on the americans with disabilities act a g.o.p. plan from senator chuck grassley and others that follows the white house framework. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell saying there is widespread agreement on the issue, but big changes must be made. >> keeping americans safe does not need to be a partisan issue. and addressing these important safety issues along with daca, border security, and other parts of our broken immigration system is our best chance to produce legislation that can pass the house, pass the senate, and earn the president's signature. the longer my colleagues across the aisle refuse to come to the table, the longer they are unable to produce any legislation they

actually support, the lower the odds that we can arrive at a legislative solution this week. >> melissa: eight democrats are already bowing to blame the white house if no deal is reached. shocker. >> the american people know what's going on. they know that this president not only created the problem, but seems to be against every solution that might pass because it isn't 100 percent of what he wants. if at the end of this week we are unable to find a bill that can pass, i sincerely hope that's not the case due to the good efforts of so many people on both sides of the aisle you, the responsibility will fall on the president's shoulders and those in this body who went along with him. >> melissa: meantime president trump today with the statement supporting the grassley bill as the new report says. the president is warning he will veto any bill that doesn't advance the reforms that he wants. this all comes as a second federal judge is barring the trump administration from ending the daca program next

month. jessica, i will start with you, because mitch mcconnell also said why won't democrats take yes for an answer? i thought that was a great way of putting it. >> jessica: it definitely was there are so many versions of this bill now it gets a little confusing. but the grassley bill, i believe, has protections for the 1.8 million daca recipients that president trump offered in the state of the union. and what's going to be really difficult for democrats going forward on this if they said this is all about dreamers. then even though there is the 25 billion for the border wall and end to chain migration which i refer to call family reunification and visa lottery and four pillars the president wants there. first and foremost it's about dreamers. you will look a little hypocritical then say nothing to other things. >> melissa: why not say yes and say look what we made republicans do. >> jessica: i think fundamentally when the border wall was such a point of contention during the campaign, so difficult to stomach. democrats really made a huge

deal out of it. so then i think okay we said yes to 25 billion for this border wall that we have opposed from the beginning is going to be difficult. >> melissa: even though they called it a wall system? i thought the change of language gave them room. when the president came out and said you know we are not talking about a wall. we are talking about a system. some places there went be a wall. he acquiesced on that point. that would give them the out. >> pete: democratic senators wanting to run for president want to play to the base and not give anything to the president no matter. what smart move by mitch mcconnell. is he forcing the democrats to vote for things and more importantly against things like sanctuary cities. the party is so out of step with regular voters that they are going to be on the record time and time again for things that are dramatically unpopular including this, i think this bill that the president is putting forward which has a lot of common sense attached to it they only want to vote to something they like. of course they need a majority to do that. >> harris: remember what the president said, he said in the end americans,

particularly hispanic americans are going to love for what they can get accomplished. i spoke with alfonso who heads up the latino partnership for conservative principles. he hearkens back to 38% of hispanics voted for president trump. it's not because what he tweets and says and all that because of policies that they saw dealing with issues that were not going to be dealt with he said we are not going to love everything about them. at least some things will be settled. >> trish: harris, here's the problem for the democrats. they cannot allow this administration to be the administration that actually provides a path forward to citizenship for 1.8 million people, billion people. million people. forgive me. illegally. so they can't allow that and, you know, those are votes that they're afraid they will lose forever. >> harris: they might have been able to if you didn't couple with tax cuts, a growing economy, potentially infrastructure and other things. they're ticking down the

things that are going to be difficult, trish, this election year for democrats. >> i just think that they like and i hate to say this and i have told you this before, harris, they like the idea of the optics of all of these people being sent out of the country. you saw chuck schumer in that sound bite that melissa referenced. he was saying it's going to be the president's fault. they want to be able to say okay, americans are shipping these people out and it's all because of donald trump. therefore, you need to go to the polls and vote for us in 2018. >> melissa: new movement in the russia investigation. sources telling fox news that president trump's lawyers are putting together a case against an in person interview with robert mueller. can this plan actually work? or is the sitdown imminent? plus still waiting for release of the democratic memo responding to republican claims of obama era abuse of surveillance powers. and now democrats are accusing the white house of trying to silence them. but g.o.p. congressman ron desantis says the democrats

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♪ >> harris: democrats are pushing back on a request from the white house to revise their fisa memo in order to have it released. they say this is all one big attempt to censor the final version of the document before the american people see it but, republicans say democrats planned this all along. watch. >> making revisions to it. the only question is what redactions will be made. obviously we like to keep those to a minimum. the white house has a different interest. i think their interest is in redacting anything that doesn't reflect well on the white house. >> i think he wrote this specifically for the purpose of getting in to this situation he wanted to get in the situation where he could accuse other people of

trying to cover this up. i think it should be released. >> harris: pete, your thoughts? >> pete: what matters in this revelations is revelationsf sources and methods. the republicans version didn't release any. they said it would but it didn't. the reason they criticize the republican memo missions. the democratic memo was jampacked full of sources and methods. intelligence agency says don't release that until you release who we're talking to and who we're talking to and what technology we are using. democrats want to pla uses that a parlor game to make president trump look less transparent. all a process of hiding russian collusion. push as much as can you to the democratic memo out there. confirms that the obama team spied at some level on the trump team. >> harris: makes me question, jessica, some of whether or not what was in that republican memo is just not refutable in terms of facts for democrats. i mean, the facts don't care about our feelings. they are not fungible.

they are what they are. mix in politics and methods and sources and all of that then you don't have to deal with the faxiness of it all. >> jessica: faxyness. i believe there was a good amount that was completely accurate in the g.o.p. memo. i think the grassley memo also confirm that the steele dossier was used in part to obtain that warrant to spy on carter page. we know who carter page is and i hope we will learn more and also what other sources the court had to corroborate what they found in the steele dossier. i have no problem with that i think the g.o.p. memo exposing this all began with george papadopoulos was a great thing for democrats making this case anyway. >> pete: also leads to hillary clinton. >> jessica: that's that's fine. hillary clinton paid for the steele dossier. i'm completely comfortable with that the fisa court was aware of the fact it was a political document. they didn't know it was from dnc and hillary. they knew it was politically motivated that's par for the course. i want the. >> melissa: how can you say

that's par for the course? >> jessica: fisa court is presented with political documents? >> melissa: not par for the course that somebody hires a group to put together a memo in con jennings with russia about an opponent that's then used by the fbi to spy on people. that's not par for the course. >> jessica: that's the way the story goes. >> melissa: the rest of it is fine. the fact that they did this is what is so threatening to our democracy that you would have people for political reasons paying money incorporating the russians to write something in order to spy on a campaign. carter page for all i care, he can go to jail. what's fine. whatever have you about everybody else, this memo, the fact that they used this dossier at all, if it was so little, then why use it? why include it at all? >> jessica: the way that i understand it that christopher steele's reporting was coming in little bursts. he didn't supply that all at once. [talking at the same time]

>> melissa: liar and they got rid of him. >> harris: at one point he wasn't attached to the investigation officially any longer. yet, they continued to listen to him as melissa is pointing out. you say it's coming in dribs and drabs, i'm paraphrasing. they are still using the information. >> pete: unlawful to use unverified information. >> trish: have you read this thing? if you haven't, i encourage you because it reads like a giant piece of fiction that you would see in supermarket tabloid. this stz dossier. the idea that anybody in our administration would have taken that seriously, you know, you can tell just by reading it that it's done with a vein of opposition research right there very apparent with the tabloidesque kind of tone to it. and someone in our administration, in the fbi would say okay, this is enough for us to get a fisa warrant? >> jessica: i don't know if they said that was enough. they used it in collaboration with other documents.

>> harris: andrew mccabe who was the former deputy director of the fbi apparently, according to the republican memo, and i haven't heard democrats say this wasn't true, said if it were not for the anti-trump dossier they could never have gotten -- go ahead. >> pete: they never would have gotten that document. >> trish: vladimir putin has accomplished whatever he wanted to accomplish. >> pete: illegal to present unverified information to the fisa court. >> jessica: unverified? >> harris: i don't know that everybody caught that. >> trish: vladimir putin accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish. he had his russians feeding a bunch of garbage to christopher steele who then goes and sends that back to the clinton team and fusion gps who then sends it to the administration and all of a sudden fisa warrants are being issued to investigate trump campaign. and we find out about it so, in other words, the russians have succeeded in all that

disruption they wanted to cause. moving on, sources telling fox news that president trump's legal team is putting together the case against the president doing a sitdown with special counsel robert mueller. among their arguments, mueller already has so much information from thousands of documents and dozens of interviews that there is nothing new that the president can give him. also, there is no evidence of a crime that was committed. where do you see this going, pete? >> pete: well, there is no -- it's gone from a collusion case to an obstruction case from what we have heard and seen publicly as it pertains to bob mueller. what kind of questions is the president going to get asked? did you obstruct? no. do you this? no. i don't know why you would submit yourself to that all they are trying to do is get a trip off at this point. they aren't seeking information they couldn't or wouldn't have gotten from in his inner circle. submit written questions. i will give you written questions back. i will give you my honest questions back. don't submit yourself to a session where you will get tripped up. >> trish: harris, will we get closure? that's the other thinking. once they interview the president it's sort of kind

of done if they don't have anything at that point. >> harris: we don't know because we don't know what else robert mueller has in his investigation. i don't want to jump the shark on whether or not this closes the door. generally speaks to things coming to more of a conclusion when you reach people at the very top. that's the very reasons his attorneys are v. told him not to sit down. they are negotiating some sort of a way to make this work ow the president says he would love to. he understands the political gain that he gets because the american people would love for this to be over and they think if he sits down it makes that leap. but you got to do what's best for your client. and that's what the attorneys are doing at this point. and you listen to the attorneys who are leading the case. and if this particular person can't give you something that anybody else can give you, then why don't you do what we as reporters do and you ask a bunch of people and you get in other ways. >> trish: too easy for him to get tripped up, do you

think? >> melissa: we have no idea what's going on. if you think back to the weekend when they went to interview hillary clinton over the email scandal and we thought oh, boy, she is so worried and have the lawyers and the whole thing. here the decision was already made and they already written her exoneration and the whole nine yards. i don't think we have idea what's really going on there. >> harris: huge unknown for the president and his team. >> jessica: totally we know he is very casual in the way he speaks. nicest way i can say that so conversation with jim comey, interview with lester holt where he says things he doesn't mean to be saying that people can take and make a case out of. i think he should stay away. to your point, pete, there are actually three buckets that bob mueller is looking at. is he looking at money laundering from the trump family and their businesses. is he looking at obstruction of justice and russia collusion. those are three areas that the president could possibly get himself in trouble with i absolutely agree for his own sake he shouldn't sit down to him and listen to his lawyers and say things innocent people don't have conversations because there are a lot of good reasons not to talk to someone like

bob mueller even if you are not guilty. >> trish: file this one under unintended consequences. after nancy pelosi called bonuses resulting from the president's tax cuts crumbs, a republican now swiping at the minority leader by pushing to make some of those bonuses tax-free. smart move and how much is pelosi hurting her party. the marie antoinette of the democrats. we are debating it next. see here. >> the crumbs that they are giving to workers to kind of put the schmooze on is so pathetic. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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down playing worker bonuses that resulted from the new g.o.p. tax law. indiana congressman todd rokita introduces what he calls the crumbs act. an acronym now for creating relief and useful middle class benefits and savings. [laughter] >> harris: i guess that's not what she meant. no. it would make bonuses up to $2,500 tax-free a jab at nancy pelosi referring to such bonuses as crumbs. >> they they are giving i say crumbs they mock me in ads compared to the banquet they give at the high end. crumbs that they are giving to workers to try to put the schmooze on is so pathetic. >> harris: you know, as a former vet and i was born brat, military brat, we know that acronyms can go far. >> pete: that's true there are a lot of them. >> harris: in the military we know they can go far. >> pete: washington figured that out a while ago too. some of acronyms are

ridiculous and you want to make them go away but this is brilliant. nancy pelosi should never go anywhere. she is perfectly out of touch. bill like this reminds people i have talked to people across the country, folks from minnesota and elsewhere crumbs, a thousand dollars is not crumbs. what they're getting in their taxes now, too. you add that to these crumbs, walmart employees, people working in retail. this is real money. democrats running for office are going to be reminded. >> melissa: i remember the weekend that hillary clinton first used the word deplorables very liberal party out in california. and everybody there was like uh-oh. that may have just lost her the election. they knew out second she said it that that was going to be something. she said it again and again. she thought it would work. the crumbs thing is the same thing. we heard nancy pelosi say it again and again. she thinks it's clever and couldn't back fire any worse. >> harris: trish, i'm reading in some areas that the bonuses are as much as $4,000.

and you would have to be at nancy pelosi's financial level, i guess, to see that as a crumb. >> trish: thousand dollars to nancy pelosi is a crumb. she is in a whole other stratosphere than most americans. median income 49,000 for a family of four. $1,000 is a lot of the money when you are talking about a majority of americans who don't have the ability if their car breaks down to get it fixed and get back to work. $1,000 is something that people need and, you know, you can't just dismiss. they are trying to do so, but in doing that they are increasingly following that hillary clinton path of seeming out of touch and not understanding their base. i mean, the workers. union workers that always used to be those blue collar democrats that they need. >> harris: so, jessica, what is the message going to be from democrats this year from the midterm elections and oh by the way it's not just nancy pelosi, have you got hillary clinton who also is out of touch economic whether i messaging who

wants to get out on the trail and potentially help some people. >> jessica: i have always maintained this i think hillary clinton can be us useful in the right setting. leadership unpopular on both sides you can't send mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer. >> harris: nancy pelosi. >> jessica: send hillary clinton out in new york or chicago. >> harris: you are not talking like the areas like the rust belt. >> jessica: no. joe biden can go there. it doesn't make sense. >> trish: go to l.a. go to melissa friend's party. no politician today that has a universal appeal on either side. i would implore you to tell me what republican can do it all and can be in los angeles. >> pete: donald trump is about the closest ones. go to grassroots events across the country. >> jessica: how is he going to do it with the evidentist party. >> harris: not inviting him to that party.

no, no. >> trish: he gets along with wall street and the ceo community and gets along with workers in the middle of the country. travels pretty dr. y. big. >> jessica: crumbs act. i think lou put up the swamp act. it's catchier. i'm sure it will show up in a lot of adds. >> harris: crumbs is now an acronym. the president said please don't change nancy pelosi. she is our secret weapon for what he calls republicans running this year. some in the mainstream media appearing to have no problem insulting millions of americans as the panel on the abc show "the view" mocked vice president pence's devout christian faith using some pretty harsh language. we'll get reaction from around our couch: ♪ ♪ okay folks!

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♪ >> melissa: shots taken at vice president mike pence' christian faith yesterday on the abc news show "the view." the hosts were reacting to a reality show clip where former white house aide omarosa manigault newman says the vice president has conversations with jesus. co-host joy with this. >> it's one thing to talk to jesus. it's another thing when jesus talks to you. >> exactly. [laughter] >> that's different. >> that's different. that's called mental illness

if i'm not correct. hearing voices. >> my question is can he talk to mary magdalene without his wife in the room? >> melissa: i think the vice president would not be the least bit offended by that secure in his faith and feel sorry for joy that she doesn't have that bedrock of comfort and support that faith offers in her life. >> pete: grasp something bigger than yourself in this world that you appeal to that can guide you and teach you things. she calls it a conversation. millions, billions of people on this earth call it prayer. and it may not come through a voice but it can come through an answer or subtle reality or realization. this is a glimpse inside your liberal dinner party. this is the way a whole other spectrum. this the way the entire spectrum of people view people of faith. ignorant. clingers to god and guns. talking to god and hoping he is talking to them. very dismissive and why you see this cultural fight back against president trump and

others against political correctness and don't say merry interior ministry c put it in a box and don't talk about it and mike pence is willing to talk about it. a lot of people relate to that. >> melissa: alveda king was on saying that her uncle martin luther king jr. heard jesus speak to him and tell him to stand up. i wonder if he would have been mocked the same way? >> trish: good for her for saying that and good for him having that spiritual relationship with god. no, he wouldn't have been mocked because he was embraced by people, you know, wouldn't have mocked him. this is double standard all the time. i think if you are a big-time democrat, and you have conversations with god, it's fine. it's okay. but if you're a republican, who has conversations with god, you're just some dumb. >> pete: you are a zealot. >> trish: poor person who doesn't quite get it. >> melissa: is that fair? >> jessica: no it's not fair. omarosa was painting vice

president pence as a crazy person. doing that intentionally. on celebrity big brother. she wants high ratings and wants to make sure she gets invited back to "the view." it was crass. what would have been more effective for joy behar and everyone sitting around that table is to talk about the policies that mike pence supports and who they are not good and they are not christian. you focus on, you know, cutting aid to the poor and scaling back programs like medicare food stamps. you talk about refugees doesn't want to let more in. talk about stance on climate change. how difference mike pence stance is from the pope. >> pete: great point. >> jessica: have a policy discussion. we have been talking about this all the time. if the democrats are going to win in 2018 and 2020, we have to win on policy. not on that. people watch "the view" they think it's funny. >> trish: i disagree. i don't think have you any policy. you don't have any policy to run on. have you no choice. you have to run on this other stuff. you have to run on rob porter and painting the president. >> jessica: rob porter that's not partisan: domestic violence and.

>> trish: i'm not giving any coverage to domestic violence. i'm the last person in the world would do that. >> trish: it's a distraction. >> melissa: on that happy note. we have a lot more outnumbered in just a moment. flush lass beating 31 mpg combined estimate. lease the 2018 nx 300 for $339 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. experience amazing so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it.

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>> melissa: you bring it every single time and you ladies brought the heat. i love it. we are back here tomorrow at noon eastern time. here's harris. ♪ >> harris: controversy over a staff departure. let's go outnumbered overtime i'm harris faulkner. house oversight committee now is investigating the white house's handling of rob porter's security clearance even as accusations domestic abuse were piled up against him. congressman trey gowdy says they launched an investigation last night and he wants to hear from chief of staff john kelly and white house council don mcgahn about their extent of the knowledge of the domestic abuse allegations against porter. this a day after the head of the fbi contradicted the white house's time line of events. >> i would want to know from don mcgahn and general kelly and anyone else what did you know, from whom did you hear it, to what extent did you hear it and